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Linking

Link like this "[[ARTICLE NAME]] or [[ARTICLE NAME|DISPLAYED TEXT]]" rather than "[URL DISPLAYED TEXT]". EGGS (talk) 20:07, May 25, 2020 (UTC)

wow

two minds think alike that user is everywhere posting perverted stuff, maybe if you and I work as a team we can flush him out--Eliskuya2 (talk) 19:51, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Maybe that's a bit extreme. Just let EGGS do his job. I just posted that message to let him know in case he didn't notice. --GuessWhoyYoutube (talk) 20:30, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

I overthink too much but true --Eliskuya2 (talk) 22:29, June 28, 2020 (UTC)

Abilities

While I'm not particularly against restructuring ability sections, the skills section should be one header.

===Skills===

Class Skills

• Skill
• Skill
• Skill

Personal Skills

• Skill
• Skill
• Skill

The Noble Phantasms also shouldn't be taking up so much space. We have the Noble Phantasm articles, so anything on the Servant page should be more of a single paragraph description. It should be more of a summary than a replication of the article.

===Noble Phantasms===

• Noble Phantasm - Description
• Noble Phantasm - Description
• Noble Phantasm - Description

EGGS (talk) 13:02, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

It isn't taking so much space. Go read the abilities section of SN Artoria, Herc, or Cu Chulainn. Each of their skills has a more detailed and longer explanation than any of the Noble Phantasms in Semiramis'. I cut out a lot of info from the profiles to not make it a copy-paste of the NP articles as you said. I only wrote the important info from the profiles regarding her overall abilities. I understand your concern, but I think my recent work isn't that bad. As for the headings, I just did it cause in the profiles the skills are usually divided that way and since I didn't have any reference on how they should be structured, I just mimicked them. If it bothers you so much, I'll do as you say.--GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 14:00, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

In the case of FSN characters, we have several books-worth of dialogue going over their abilities. That's why it's warranted to give them so much space. Most of the FGO-originals don't really get that. Regardless, the Noble Phantasms have their own articles, so giving them too much detail is kind of unneeded. I think the general concept of the skill and NP headers are fine though. EGGS (talk) 14:49, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

I completely understand that. Having a newbie such as me reorganizing everything may be a nuisance but I just think that in terms of abilities sections it makes more sense to first go over the servant's lore, then some of their overall speed/strength feats and so on, their skills and at last their NPs. I'll try to be as concrete as possible from now on. Just let me know in case you see me doing something wrong like you just did.--GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 15:33, July 30, 2020 (UTC)

Explanation

"Since she stayed her hand at the last moment"

What does this part mean ? What did she do?--Gabriel417 (talk) 08:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

It's a quote directly taken from the gameplay scene. Just rewatch it: FGO Fuyuki Saber Alter vs Cu and Mash at 1:18:45 GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I watched, but I don't get what "she stayed my hand" supposed to mean? What did Saber do?--Gabriel417 (talk) 17:29, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Page moving

If the page cannot be moved with the page move function, just edit the article to prepare it for the move and make a list. Once we have 10-30 ready to go, someone with the ability to delete can move them all at once. Edit history needs to be retained, so overwriting redirects just makes things really messy. EGGS (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I realized I had screwed up as soon as I did it.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 18:31, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Servant rank

There's no actual known mechanic of EX-E "Servant rank" in-universe. It seems to just be the characters using the parameters to simply characterize the Servants. You'll see that occasionally in terms of "she has [X rank] [personality trait/characteristic]." Subjective comments like that can certainly be added to the abilities section, but otherwise the rank section is only for the Prototype Servants who are ranked 1-7 in the Prototype War. EGGS (talk) 11:03, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

I disagree. The terminology "A class" or "first rate" is consistently used both in-universe and in materials. Even AI Sakura used the term EX Servant to describe Gilgamesh. The characters clearly use parameters to rank the servants, and I consider that to be relevant information that should be laid out in the template. Why is Arthur being Rank 1 ok but not Gilgamesh being EX?GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 11:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Proto rankings are based on the class, not the Servant. It's not a power ranking of the individuals, but an overall description of the classes. It's the same in every Proto HGW regardless of the Servants summoned. The usage of A or EX to describe a few Servants has never been shown to actually have a system behind it. It's just rather than saying "this Servant is extremely strong," they say "this Servant is A rank" because that allows for a more direct understanding based on the system. For example, in all of FGO's story, it has been used a single time in relation to Hundred Face freaking out about possibly facing a strong Servant from searching through the script just now. These statements are fine for abilities sections because they still allow for the character's relative strength to be defined, but they're not actually an official determination of their strength. EGGS (talk) 11:23, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Transclusion

You're using "1st" when it should be "lst." That explains why it was working on the pages but not when copying and pasting it. In testing, I changed the one you were trying to use to "Moon-Crux," so you'll want to change that as well. EGGS (talk) 21:11, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I would have never discovered it on my own. Sorry for the inconvenience.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 21:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Enkidu

How his transformation happened isn't really relevant to his current strength. How it happened is already covered under his identity, so information is just being repeated. Its fine to touch on it there, but it doesn't really tell you the limits of his current abilities. How are things like the mage wanting to summon an Egyptian deity relevant? You don't need to go into detail about who the sacred prostitute is or what they did together. Its already stated under Abilities that he's surprised Enkidu can be summoned as a heroic spirit, so that's just repeated. The abilities section is for goin over their abilities, not tossing in backstory that's already been covered. Ti9MK97s (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Information can get repeated. For example. Saber Alter having "heavier armor" is relevant both describing her appearance, as you describe what she wears, and it is also relevant in her abilities section, since she has higher endurance but lower speed. The same here. Enkidu isn't created by a third rate god. He was created by the king of the gods and the goddess of creation, and in Babylonia they even say they gave him all their powers iirc. The sacred prostitute is the only thing that should be summarized imo, but since I haven't finished yet with the article, I'm leaving it cause I want to see the entire section once I'm done. As for the indian gods, that gives HUGE INSIGHT. If the mage was trying to summon one, and Faldeus said that asa Berserker he would have gained what he wanted, they are basically saying Beserker Enkidu = 1 Egyptian god. Everything regarding the mage's plan applies to berserker enkidu going by faldeus statement, so by cutting it out, you are taking out a super relevant piece of info regarding something that may never get explored anywhere else. I think it should defenitely be kept.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 18:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

You can state that it was Anu & Aruru who created him, but their place in the pantheon doesnt actually have anything to do with his strength. Its like saying that Lugalbanda(Gilgamesh's father) was a respected king and warrior. That says nothing about Gilgamesh's own strength. Now if they gave Enkidu all of their powers, that's something that should be included in abilities to keep them relevant. You didn't have anything like that earlier.

If you already plan to shorted the stuff with the Shamhat, then that's fine.

As for the Egyptian god thing, you could word that better because it comes off as 2 separate ideas. Something like "Faldeus speculated that if Enkidu had been summoned as a berserker, it's powers would equal that of the Egyptian god the mage wanted." would work better.

You also need to work on some of the links, I get that you might need to repeat links every now and then, but comes off as redundant have 2 links to the same thing in one paragraph.

Anyway, if your still working on it, I'll step back and let you finish before I make any more of a fuss. Ti9MK97s (talk) 19:11, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, links may be repeated cause I copy pasted some paragraphs from a draft I had. The Enkidu part was at the start of Babylonia, but I'm currently adding stuff from the first 3 volumes of strange fake. I'll add that later.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 19:15, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Doubling up

What's the point in replicating all the NP information in the Servant articles? --Banksia (talk) 08:19, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't replicate all the information, I summarize. The problem is that since there are NPs that haven't been too explored it seems like I'm writing down everything. The info I add on the servant's articles is an overview of how the NP works, how it affects the servant in power, and how it compares to other characters. This is relevant cause it could be misleading otherwise. Go to Karna's article for example, and just read the info not concerning the NPs mini section. You'll ccome out with the idea that he is weaker than cu alter or saber alter, when in truth, he is stronger thanks to his wide arsenal. Some servants rely on their NPs for combat, and how they use them along other skills (such as Karna's armor + mana burst). Simply going over what that servant can do WITHOUT their NPs just gives a partial view of what they can do. I plan on working on the NP articles too, where I'll add EVERYTHING, but as of now, I haven't finished with the servants yet.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 08:51, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd second that you're being kind of unnecessarily detailed in these sections. This should be a summary overview using examples where needed, but you're kind of just repeating everything that should already just be in the plot section. If you want to reference a fight for a particular point, you can just describe the fight in the plot section and use the anchor template to link to it: {{Anchor|FightX}} can be placed at the top of the paragraph of said battle and then just use "During [[#FightX|the fight between X and Y]], X does Z." EGGS (talk) 20:07, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Could you maybe go to Richard I#Abilities's article and modiffy it so that it suits your view? I'll try to mimic it then.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 20:22, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

You mostly just don't need to summarize what the opponent is doing unless directly relevant to a feat. Rather than focus on a fight by fight account of their skills, start with a lead giving the most general details and then work your way through relevant traits in following paragraphs as needed. You can do a detailed breakdown of the fight in the plot section, so you can then link to Richard vs Gilgamesh round 1/2 if you say want to describe Richard's ever increasing agility with particular examples. For Alcides' skill in archery, you can skip describing much of the stuff about Gilgamesh, just stating that the power of the arrows is able to overcome the auto-defensor and almost that of Vimana with brief contextual descriptions, linking to each and letting the corresponding articles handle the exact particulars of how they function. EGGS (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

What about Noble Phantasms? If servant A is consistently getting owned by servant B, but he is able to counter attack thanks to their NP because it can do this and that how should that be reflected on the article? What about when the NP is 99% of what the servant is capable of, such as GoB, Karna's armor, Goddess of War, or the Pelt of the Nemean Lion? Simply saying Alcides has 3 NPs and how they are named seems pretty extreme in my opinion.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

It'll mostly be a case by case basis on how they utilize their NPs. For someone like Chiron, you really don't need much text in article on the NP because he uses it all of once in Apo. For Richard who spams the hell out of one and is intrinsically tied to the other, you can expect more detail on how he uses it. You just want to leave certain details to other sections and articles when they aren't explicitly necessary to the understanding of the ability in question. The role of the in-article NP section should be a brief overview of the NPs for contextual understanding, enough to get the gist of it without explicitly needing to go to the NP articles. The NP articles should cover the finer details like origin, activation, usage, etc. The combat section can give an overview on how the Servant fights, including their usage of NPs, whether they use them only as finishing moves, utilize them at all times in battle, or have particular gimmicks. You just want to make sure you're balancing the sections so that you're not overloading the reader with context that doesn't necessarily add to the section. EGGS (talk) 21:54, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Proposed changes

I created TYPE-MOON Wiki:Proposed changes‎ as sort of a centralized area where things can be proposed and discussed seeing as so much gets lost on talk pages. If it's anything major, I can send out announcements asking for comments. I put a link in the community tab in the header so it's a bit easier to find. Not sure if it'll find any usage, but at least a better alternative than the horrid Discussion utility. EGGS (talk) 21:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Karna

The rank for Karna is relevant because it shows that its different from the ordinary Vasavi Shakti. Not only is the rank A++ instead of Ex, it also gained an anti-army attribute and its number of targets changed from 1 to 1000, meaning it is a very different noble phantasm than normal.

And we know that he didn't give up his armor, because it was stated in the very beginning that he didn't have his armor in the first place. Considering that Vasavi Shakti is usually created by converting his armor into the spear, obviously not doing so will change it.

Parameters, NP ranks, and types change in all different fate series, and most of the time isn't plot relevant. If everytime you explain a feat you said what rank and type was technically being applied, the wiki would be a mess. Vasavi Shakti being A++ Anti Army doesn't imply anything about its power. Karna literally has the same parameters in CCC Foxtail than he does in EXTELLA and EXTELLA Link, yet he is gawain (night time) level in CCC, whereas he is Gilgamesh tier in EXTELLA where he is at full power. Stressing the fact that it was A++ Anti Army doesn't bring any relevant information. The Abilities sections are too long as you can see above in this very talk page, so adding info that's not relevant is getting cut out.

Also, his armor is not sealed. He literally summons it against Gawain before Leo cunters with a codecast. There's no evidence he didn't use it with vasavi shakti. That's just a FAN THEORY meant to justify why it was weaker than normal. Not an official fact that should be added to the wiki. So it's getting cut out as well.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 08:04, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The parameters of his spear are literally stated in the materials, and the parameters of their noble phantasm are definetly important. When something goes down from EX to A++, thats a huge change. Not to mention that even even the classification changed. While you should not add the rank everytime you add a feat, it is definetly important if the rank and classification change from what is normal. Just ignoring the huge change and making it seem like the attack he used was the same as the ones mentioned previously when it is clearly a completely different thing gives gives completely erronious information.

And his armor is not there. He gave it to Jinako so that she would not be deleted by the moon cell. Plus, the skill he used was not the actual armor, all it did was increase his endurance for three turns, and it was cancelled out by Leo. Even if it was, the fact that the attack he used was completely different from his normal Vasavi Shakti does not change.

Never stated it is "completely different". Not even hinted. Nor is it stated he didn't use his armor. And the turns thing is just a callback to the game. If the armor was really sealed, he wouldn't be able to summon it at all. Vasavi Shakti going to A++ is not a huge change at all. In EXTELLA he is at full power, even stated by Iskandar to be on par with Gilgamesh, and Vasavi Shakti was still A++. Karna's parameters in the EXTRA games are not plot relevant, and shouldn't be added to a section that's already too long and redundant. It is laredy stated in the abilities section that Karna under Jinako is weakened. Saying it is A++ is not relevant, and has nothing to do with the feat itself.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 20:25, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

The very fact that its classification and rank changed show that it is different. I do not see how you can possibly say that that is irrelevant. Rather than just saying that he is weakened under Jinako, it is much more clear to give the exact change, and doesn't change the length much at all.

Also, while I'll acknowledge the thing about his armor is not clear and remove it, he does use the same Kavacha and Kundala skill in Fate Extra CCC when up against Hakuno's servants, and yet it is later made clear that he did not actually have the armor and it is explicitly stated he did not use it during the fight. Most likely, that skill is just a skill named after the armor, and not the actual armor itself.

It is irrelevant cause it doesn't reflect a power difference. Gawain was likely able to do what he did because Karna was weakened, not because the rank had changed. Karna in EXTELLA is as strong as Gilgamesh but he still had the exact same parameters. The importat fact is that he was wekaened. Not that it was A++.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 20:41, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Having the rank decrease from EX to A++ does indicate a power difference. However, I am not saying that it is weaker than the EX version. All I am adding is that it is a different rank and classification. The fact that it is a different type of noble phantasm is very relevant. Even if we do not know if it is weaker, what matters is the fact that it is different. You can not just put it in there and let people assume it is the same noble phantasm that was in apocrypha and FGO when everything but its name is classified differently in its materials. Regarless of whether or not the power has changed, it is obvious that the noble phantasm itself has changed drastically. You also do not know specifically why Gawain managed to do what he did. You also don't know if being weakened by Jinako means he didn't have enough mana, bad orders, weaker noble phantasm, or all of the above. However, the rank, classification, range, and number of targets all changing is part of the materials. It is something we know for sure is true because it was directly stated in official materials, so that is something we can add without worrying that it is false.

Also, I don't know much about extella, but isn't extella Karna different from CCC Karna? He no longer has Jinako as a master, which is why for his feats using VS against Arjuna, we do not know if it is the A++ or EX version.

Karna's EXTELLA profile literally lists the same parameters and type than his CCC counterpart. They are the same. The only thing different is that Karna is masterless in EXTELLA and EXTELLA Link. So the A++ rank means nothing. Karna literally went from being under a fodder master to being at full power, on par with Gil, and the parameters didn't change at all. As for the type, it is never implied or hinted that it played a role in the fight. Gawain has no divinity, so it no longer being Anti Divine means nothing to him. The ranks and type change simply have no implication here.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 21:10, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Just the very fact that his NP has a different rank and classification means that it is different, and played a part in the fight. IF the NP is different, obviously it was relevant. The fact that its classification is anti army and its number of targets changed from 1 to 1000 also means that its aoe increased. Not to mention the fact that going down from EX to A++ obviously means that its power changed.

Content Moderator

you have been granted the status of Content Moderator per discussion in the recent admin nomination discussion. EGGS (talk) 12:52, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Terminals for the Machine Gods

Look it made sense for Artemis since her Terminals have their own personalities but for the other gods, it makes no sense and makes the wiki hardier to navigate, so please stop making it their own section. LDSatoko (talk) 14:47, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving an article

Could you move Type Mercury to ORT?--Crimson Moon1 (talk) 19:53, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Done.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 21:39, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks--Crimson Moon1 (talk) 23:11, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

If anything, I'm sorry for being an annoyance - but as I don't know how to respond in that Talk section (for being a complete amateur when I interact in the fandom beyond what I deem necessary) I came this far. It took a little time, but surprisingly I found what I was looking for. Just to be clear, a few seconds before the aforementioned Clairvoyance happened. https://youtu.be/E8omacKiSbU?t=4573

Just press 3-dots button next to "Add Topic" on the top right corner of the talk page and then edit source.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 08:01, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Durga Classes

Papermoon Chapter 14, Rani said Durga had aptitude for all classes. Strictly speaking Rani never said seven classes but all classes.

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Appelmonkey still keep ruining the pages

I am not sure if you noticed, but he user User:Appelmonkey, keeps ruining the FGO servants pages, its not the first time I bring it up to moderation, but his changes are ruining the character pages in multiple levels, it isn't just me that have been fixing his changes. I already explained not only in the pages but also in the TYPE-MOON Wiki:Proposed changes#Appelmonkey's editing why things are done in certain way but he keeps editing changing content only because he wants or believe that should be done in that way.

His latest change was the page of Christopher Columbus, I already told him to not use the name of the characters in galleries because there is always the possibility of a new class variant, so using the name doesn't help. The changes in relationship that was already explained before and other problems with changing skill descriptions, noble phantasms and so on. And of course, with all the typos and not sourcing that you can imagine.

Could you please do something about? I do not want to waste my time fixing shit instead of adding it.User:Lemostr00

There is little I can do about it if he refuses to follow instructions. Only User:EGGS can ban people. I could protect the pages he edits, but that's unproductive and too late once the harm is already done. I suggest you bring it to EGGS' attention.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 08:53, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah apologies for the typos and all that, but I do in fact source shit and since you have made no effort towards any common decency with me I will be blunt, the way you do names in galleries is bullshit. If another class variant comes around, the images of said class variant will come on that variant's page, rendering the point mute. In fact, you should call Servants by their actual name because of class variants. Just look at Mordred and how she is reffered to as both Saber and Rider in her gallery. Shit gets confusing, especially when they never get reffered to by their Class Name. I dare you to find someone who reffers to Mash as Shielder. Of course, I also explained to you why using quotes for relationships doesn't make much sense either, but you don't seem to listen that. Of course, why try to establish a dialouge when you can ignore the rules, flame, act hostile, and go from staff member to staff member hoping one will ban me when I don't automatically agree with you.--Appelmonkey (talk) 10:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't know about the quotes, but you should follow the established naming system for pictures. Whether they are named like that or not in-game is irrelevant.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 11:28, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Ivan's Profile

I noticed my edits regarding Ivan were quickly undone not long after them and I would like to know the reasoning behind this since I mainly chose to split off Ivan into Proper History and Lostbelt due to the fact the version of Ivan that is summoned and appears in events following Lostbelt 1 is noted to be the Ivan of Proper History and not Lostbelt King Ivan. DistortedDestiny (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

That's not true:

• Bond Level 3: "I see... So even in your world I was seen as a monster... But there is one saving grace: in your world, I never ate the meat of a Demonic Beast, did I?"
• FGO Material: "Upon being summoned to Chaldea, he appears not as the panhuman Ivan, but rather the one from the lostbelt. Usually this summoning should be impossible, but perhaps in response to such an unprecedented event like the scorching, or the editing of the human order, the human order has sought stronger heroic spirits."

Check your sources better next time.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 14:31, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

Re: Earlier

Just so you know, regarding the thing earlier - they've been at this sort of thing for a few months now. P.S. If you happen to answer or continue this thread, please keep it as discrete as possible. Also, I'm not in a particularly good state at present, so any replies might be delayed/complicated (Sorry). Inept Wiki User (talk) 13:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't keep track of the edits of every single user. If you don't explain what the issue is I'm going to be able to help. Sending a few links without explaining what I'm supposed to investigate doesn't give me enough context to do anything about it.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 17:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Melusine

Hi. I wanted to bring this discussion over mainly because I didn't want Melusine's page to devolve into an edit war squabble. In regards to Melusine, she is a bit of a unique case among the Servants originating from the British Lostbelt. Due to Albion's status as the dragon of boundaries and all that, she's considered apart of Proper Human History.

You seem to be under the assumption that it was the Fairies themselves that slapped such a label on to her. But that's actually not the case because the dialogue in which we get this factoid comes from an unbiased source. That being the narration which is talking in no one's particular POV when we get this information.

The actual dialogue is as follows: "She wasn't a British faerie. As a higher form of life, she was a perpetual outsider, neither faerie nor human. As the dragon who presides over the Border, she was considered part of Proper Human History even within a Lostbelt."

So, you sort of see where I'm coming from here with the edit I made. DistortedDestiny (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Don't get obsessed with a single sentence and actually take all of LB6 as context. "She was considered." By who? The Fairies. Even ignoring who considers her what, stop for a moment and think. Being considered something doesn't make it true either. Think rationally. Does Melusine exist in PHH? No. Would Melusine exist if LB6 didn't exist? No. That's literally what a Lostbelt Servant is. Melusine is an Alter Ego from Albion born from its hand. Which version of Albion? Albion in PHH dies by trying to reach the Reverse Side of the World by carving a hole through it. In LB6, whose divergence starts in 12000 BC, it dies after running out of energy from flying around in a sea with no landmasses, courtesy of Sefar. That's a LB version of Albion, not PHH Albion. And the Alter Ego of a LB dragon isn't a PHH Servant.

Melusine simply is "considered" a PHH Servant because all entities from LB6 who aren't native to Faerie Britain prior AND were born BEFORE the High Queen/AD era are considered as such. Those are the only ones who can exit the LB and reach PHH, because their existence is fundamentally different from the actual pure LB inhabitants born in BC. This is a result of Morgan time traveling and creating a Singularity within the LB.

Melusine is a LB Servant by sheer definition. Just because she isn't "considered" one doesn't change the fact she is. Archers who don't use bows and arrows could get a statement of not being considered Archers by some undetermined set of people in-universe. That doesn't change the fact they are technically Archers. If you want to include a quote in the article citing why she's considered PHH, that's great, but don't change her technical categories.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Template

Feel free to change it back if you want, but tried swapping the cosmology thing over to a side bar instead because that'd be a bit easier to navigate. EGGS (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

I had considered doing so, but discarded the idea. These terms are extremely overwhelming for users/type moon fans, particularly newbies. I feel like it would be better to reduce the amount of information they see on the tab as much as possible. That way, they need to actively click on "Planetary Terminology" (and other tabs) to see it, only if they are interested in that particular topic. That's at least what I was going for. Let me read your thoughts.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 15:14, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

I find the sidebar is better to manage more expansive topics. With a topic like that'll probably easily reach the 40+ range as more is added to its scope, all the clicking through tabs to get to more tabs can get a bit tedious if you're looking to article surf. But I'll leave it up to you, seeing as I'm not the one working on the topic. EGGS (talk) 01:41, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

I guess it comes down to personal preference. I'll change it to the side bar. I don't want to impose anything. That being said, I need you to look up the view entry button on the bottom of the tab. It leads to an empty article. I don't know how to remove it.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 07:56, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

That's a direct link to the template. Fixed it now. EGGS (talk) 19:01, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Revisions to grand servant page

Why did you re-add the "World of Fate/Grand Order" nonsense to the Grand Servant notes? I split the Grand Servant table into "World of Fate Grand Order" and "World of Fate Grand Order Arcade", so putting the distinction in the servant notes is no longer necessary. It's cleaner, clearer, and also future-proofs the page for any Grand Servants who could potentially appear in later Fate works.

Also, please provide a source for your "Gave up ranking to aid Chaldea against Chaos" claim. I provided a direct quote from the game where Romulus talks about why he no longer has his Grand Crown and it had nothing to do with Chaos. To my knowledge, that's nothing but a popular Western fandom misconception that's been on the wiki for far too long (I've even consulted Japanese discussions on the subject, and this misconception doesn't seem to exist over there at all). If you can provide a source otherwise, fine. Otherwise, change it back. Tash2345 (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Taigong and his Grand Rider candidacy

As I'm aware Jagh5 was asking about it. I will just go ahead and quickly clarify this with a brief excerpt from the translated summary of Chapter 2 of Vanished Beginning to clarify: "Noah also harps on the Grand buddy qualifier because Taigong only qualifies for Grand Caster, not Grand Rider."

This is taken from the usual place where translated summaries of JP-only F/GO Events are found so it's relatively reputable source. DistortedDestiny (talk) 16:24, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

That's just a summary though. The actual quote is "If you haven’t manifested as a Caster, then naturally, you're not a Grand, are you? Then can I really call you my Grand buddy in your current state?" The quote doesn't directly state that he doesn't qualify for the rank. It could simply be that since Noah currently holds that status Taigong can only take Grand Caster's. Saying "Noah already debunked Taigong's proclamation" is making a strong assumption that simply isn't found in the original text. Could that be what Noah meant? Sure. But we currently don't know. The wiki has to list what was said, not a viewer's interpretation of it.GuessWhoYoutube (talk) 07:18, 17 September 2025 (UTC)