What is the official position of the Church towards the soul? I can't imagine Roman Catholicism endorsing the ideas of reincarnation. ^^ --Koveras Alvane 11:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
- Well I didn't find anything about it in here, so I don't really know. Though, the article on Akashic Records does say that the Church is not interested ; they're not interested in the Akasha either. So maybe they aren't interested by how the soul goes back to the Akasha, either ? That's the only mention I've seen so far. --Byakko 11:42, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
inconsistencies
I've noticed quite a few inconsistencies in this article.
1. Soul is said to be the energy source of the spiritual body.
Isn't spiritual body=soul?
2. The article states that the soul is created by "the world", but it's also writen that souls of the dead return to Akasha.
If I remember right it's the spirits of nature that get their soul from Gaia and humans as an existance seperate from nature get our soul from Akasha.
3. Next is the statment that the soul is eternal, but a few sentences later it's stated that is decays naturaly.
Wasn't the reason for soul decay in zouken caused by the loss of his original body? Same with Roa how his soul decays with each cycle.
4. It's also stated that manipulating souls is of little interest to magi.
The most common way to create a familiar is to inplant soul fragments into a dead animal. I also remember Illya sharing her memories with Shirou in HF.
- Spiritual Body ≠ Soul. The soul is the proof that you're a living being. Spiritual Body is a type of body, usually Elementals have them.
- I have no idea what to answer. we know that for sure all things (souls included) originate from Akasha, but maybe Gaia is the one who takes the soul from there and gives it to the living beings.
- The soul is eternal by itself, but since it's always affixed to a body, it will decay along with it.
- It's not manipulating other souls, it's manipulating their own. Roa is the only one who was able to do it. Ilya sharing memories has nothing to do with the soul, though.
I hope this clarifies your doubts, if you have any more just ask them. Sandubadear (talk) 22:58, October 19, 2014 (UTC)
1. So I did some digging and found out that the soul has multiple bodies(parts). I'm not sure which view was incorporated in nasuverse, but the simplified version would give at least three:
Astral body (body double that gives us form)
Mental body
Casual body
Elementals would possess Etheric body while apparitions, wraiths, demons,...would possess Astral body.
Well nasu made no distinction so I guess we'll never know
3. That would imply that halting the decay of the body would halt the decay of the soul.
4. Leftover thoughts(soul leftovers of the dead) are combined with maguses own magic cirtuits to create a familiar. Memories are contained in the soul. That means memory manipulation is manipulation of the soul. Furthemore illya didn't share her acquired experience, but that of her prototype Homunculus Justeaze Lizrich von Einzbern.Scorpion91 (talk) 20:15, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
Subheadings
Why were the subheadings (color, weight, reincarnation, etc) removed? The page now looks quite disorganized and messy, though I understand that Nature could technically include all these topics (so perhaps they could be made subheadings under Nature). --Junky (talk) 23:57, February 9, 2015 (UTC)
- Oh yeah, forgot about that. I was trying to source and rearrange it but sort of lost track of it after being unable to find where the element stuff originates. I assume it's KnK with either a Touko infodump or the conversation with " ", but neither translation seems to use those terms anywhere. I'll have to actually make sure I finish it. I have a bad habit of doing half of something before randomly moving onto something else. EGGS (talk) 17:14, February 10, 2015 (UTC)
What exactly do you need a source for? The soul being one of the three "elements" was probably taken from arai's fuyuki wiki so its source is probably side material. However, from what I remember, the word used is 要素 which is also used for Ether and Demons (fifth and sixth elements). However, the three substances (body, soul and mind) seem to be grouped together and are a separate concept, which is why they were referred to as substances rather than elements. I'll look up side material later... provided it was actually taken from there and I can find my copy that I haven't seen in years. Or if you have a scan of the dictionary, you can send me a link. --Junky (talk) 05:36, February 14, 2015 (UTC)
Does Death Remain?
After the Third True Magic is used on a soul, thus becoming immortal(more or less), does the concept of death remain in the soul? This page notes that a soul on its own doesn't have one, but goes into a state of "eventual death" upon taking a body. So does Heaven's Feel remove that? Basically, what I'm asking is if Shiki's Mystic Eyes of Death Perception would work on someone like that. Dragonlover553 (talk) 06:52, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
Servants = the Third Magic
It's no secret that Servants are the result of a limited usage of the Third True Magic. However, the true use of Heaven's Feel is, as far as I can tell, to make those its used upon into Servants with infinite prana who don't need anchors to the world( and don't have Noble Phantasms or enhanced physical stats). Am I right? Dragonlover553 (talk) 06:56, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
- No. Servants are materialized using a fragment of Heaven's Feel, but the purpose of Heaven's Feel isn't to do anything to Servants, and it doesn't have anything to do with infinite prana. What the Third Magic does is explained in the article appropriately titled Third Magic. It's the "materialization of the soul", basically immortality because the soul doesn't disperse even if the body dies, and you just need to make a new body to keep living. Servants becoming materialized in a physical body is just one possible use of that. 85.171.50.204 16:00, July 3, 2016 (UTC)
Soul as the second element
I need to explain my edit.
The source for this information comes from what Archer says to Rin in the prologue. Here is the original Japanese:「……ご推察の通りだ。我々は基本的に霊体だと言っただろう。故に食事は第二、ないし第三要素となる。君たちが肉を栄養とするように、サーヴァントは精神と魂を栄養とする。栄養をとったところで基本的な能力は変わらないが、取り入れれば取り入れるほどタフになる――つまり魔一力の貯蔵量があがっていく、というワケだ」. As you can see in the screenshot where it is helpfully highlighted, 第二 and 第三要素 are the important bits, because they respectively translate to "second element: soul" and "third element: spirit (or mind)". The thing is, the commonly used Mirror Moon translation doesn't have this, as you can see: "…It is as you suspect. I told you we are basically spirits. Therefore, our meals consist of souls and mental constituents. As you subsist on meat, we subsist on souls and minds. Our basic abilities do not change from such nourishment, but we do become tougher. In other words, our magical energy capacity increases." Which means that even though I have provided the right source, the only way for anyone else to check is to read the original Japanese.
Anyway, that's annoying, but what can you do. At least now this age-old unverified claim can be laid to rest finally. The Lord Reader (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)