Wait a minute... Shirou didn't project Rho Aias at the end of UBW? That doesn't sound right. --Murderofcrows 23:52, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, we know. This has already been discussed in the fandom as another of Nasu's strange
plotholesmisses. But that is what he said, so we have to accept as canon. Libra00 04:43, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- That's stupid... Nasu must be getting things mixed up. Why would Shirou feel the blades hitting the shield if he didn't make it? Continuuity error, Type-Moon... --Murderofcrows 04:45, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
- It could be that he subconsciously reinforced Archers shield rather that project his own, or that he was hit with blasts from where weapons collided with Rho Aias. But yeah, that's retconning an (unnecessary) plothole. -Azaghal 01:51, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- Seems pointless to me. What's the problem with letting Shirou use Rho Aias in UBW? I'm pretty sure he saw Archer use it against Lancer... Murderofcrows 01:55, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- No he didn't. Shirou wasn't there when Archer fought against Lancer that second time. Libra00 05:19, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- Well, another explanation would be that, since he already had a weak connection to Archer(the latter's skills flowed into the former), if could just be that he was felling what Archer felt/would've felt at that moment. But yeah, I doubt that the Rho Aias projected during UBW route was Shirou's, since we already saw that he could only project a four-leafed RA in the HF route. --SolarAdept 20:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- I have watch UBW movie in Japan and Shiro did shout "Rho Aias" to protect him from Gilgamesh's attack, February 7, 2010(UTC)
- Well, another explanation would be that, since he already had a weak connection to Archer(the latter's skills flowed into the former), if could just be that he was felling what Archer felt/would've felt at that moment. But yeah, I doubt that the Rho Aias projected during UBW route was Shirou's, since we already saw that he could only project a four-leafed RA in the HF route. --SolarAdept 20:12, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
- Uhm.... Guys... '----- I'll make it. This is why one of my eyes is open. I pull out a shield from the hill to block the oncoming Noble Phantasms--------!' If that doesn't say Shirou used Rho Aias, I have no clue what the heck you guys are reading. And if you want more of the scene to prove this. "Guh-----------!" The swarm of swords batter against the shield. The shield is me myself. My body breaks up as each petal of the shield is pierced and damaged.' Quotes are from Fate/Stay night - Unlimited Blade Works - 16th Day- Match decided: Unlimited Blade Works -Todoko 23:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
If we're on the subject, why not just question where Archer got Rho Aias in the first place? It's not something that Gilgamesh fires from the Gates of Babylon. So where did Archer get it? The whole argument sounds like a big plot hole that may or may not have been resolved by some of the material that was cut before the original went into production (after all, the Stray Servant page says something about her having a shield as a Noble Phantasm...We just have to take what Nasu gives us.Twelveseal 02:26, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
- Not everything in UBW came from GoB. After HF 5, future Archer Shirou was recording swords and other weapons he encountered while doing his "hero of justice" mission, all the way until his death, so of course he has weapons in UBW that are not from GoB. Avalon is the best example. On the other hand, he could only record weapons Gilgamesh actually pulled from GoB, so it natural to assume the doesn't have the entire GoB recorded. --Azaghal 02:21, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
It says that Rho Aias's seventh layer resisted Hector's attack and did the same with Gae Bolg. Is that saying that it also blocked Gae Bolg leaving the last petal standing? Because in the fight, it actually shattered the last petal. -Todoko 23:10, March 15, 2010 (UTC)
- But Gae Bolg didn't actually hit him, right? He was damaged from the leftovers of the attack or maybe because of the same "I'm the shield" thing as Shirou in the end. What that meant was basically that Gae Bolg didn't penetrate the shield, it only penetrated the first six and shattered the last. End result was that it didn't stab Archer. --SolarAdept 09:05, March 17, 2010 (UTC)
"It is necessary for its user to provide constant magical energy to form the shield,"
Source for this ought to be added or it should be taken down, as I don't remember anything like that being stated any of the materials, the games or the anime.
Separation
Should we merge the two infoboxes, with one tab saying "Aias the Great" and the other tabs having Archer's variation? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 19:33, July 25, 2016 (UTC)
How does one block Gae Bolg
Ok so, If Cú Chulainn was more than 10 meters away then i guess it makes sense. But, lets pretend he wasnt more than 10 meters away from Archer. According to this page, "He uses it to defend against Cú Chulainn's Gáe Bolg which manages to pierce up to the seventh layer before finally stopping." -> Aka he blocks Gae Bolg. But on the Gae Bolg page, it says: "Gáe Bolg: Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death (刺し穿つ死棘の槍ゲイ・ボルク, Sashi Ugatsu Shitoge no YariGei Boruku?, also translated as Spear of Impaling Barbed Death) is an attack focused on a single target created by Cú Chulainn that strikes a fatal blow that always pierces the opponent's heart" -> Always pierces, as well as "Once Gáe Bolg's name has been called, the cursed spear reverses the nature of causality, the meaning of cause and effect in the order of things, to make it so the cause of the lance being thrust comes from the effect of the opponent's heart being pierced by it" + "The actual action of the thrust is merely a formality, as the lance has already pierced the opponent's heart before the attack has even started." -> Attack lands even before the attack And the only reason i mention the 10 meters thing is because of "... and if it is thrown from a distance of ten meters it will manage to reach the target without fail"
ive only watched the three stay nights, so maybe im missing something, or im taking the description of Gae Bolg too literally, but as far as i've read, you shouldn't be able to block something that has already happened.
Throwawayaccount766tyjfgnhhng (talk) 21:50, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
That's the thrusting technique that reverses causality. The one Archer blocked is the thrown version, it causes massive damage, but it doesn't reverse causality to pierce the heart.Hawkeye2701 (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2023 (UTC)