Name/Title
I don't know much about Greek, but given the katakana, I'm fairly certain it's supposed to be "Aionion Hetairoi" ('King's Companions'). I've never really researched Alexander before, so maybe I'm missing something. Title change? CanonRap 09:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Answer: The title is Ionioi Hetairoi because the Companion Cavalry of Alexander was mostly recruited from the Ionia area, making it Ionian Companions. --SolarAdept 16:44, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's indeed written Aionion, but that's a grammatical mistake on Urobuchi's part, it's improper Greek. As far as I know, the correct declension that goes with hetairoi is ionioi (note that the i at the beginning can, I believe, be pronounced アイ, at least). Now I don't know, maybe it was a mistake on purpose, but I really can't see what it would be supposed to be, and it wouldn't mean anything, while ionioi hetairoi does. But then again, even with that, I believe hetairoi is singular, which would be another mistake since it's most likely supposed to refer to the entire army. But oh well. --Byakko 23:28, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, okay. I've come across the term 'aionion' before (somewhere...) so I wasn't sure. Thanks for clearing that up. CanonRap 04:43, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- From several Google search results, and from Wiktionary, it appears that "aionion" is supposed to mean "eternal", being the genitive form of Greek "aion" (ancestor of English "aeon"/"eon"). "Eternal Companions" is rather accurately descriptive of Zero!Rider's bond with his army. MarqFJA (talk) 17:13, October 31, 2012 (UTC)
Wait a moment, the Ionian area was at the east of Greece, but the Hetairoi were recruited from Macedonia, at the north. So isn't "Aionion" more accurate, given that they are "eternal"? --Rubinetto (talk) 12:51, October 14, 2018 (UTC)
Image
Does anyone know where this image comes from or if it's even something official in the first place? If it's from one of the drama CD booklets, it would probably be better than what's currently being used. EGGS 21:53, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Independent Action
They are all Master-less servants, but they each have the rank E- equivalent of the "Independent Action" skill, meaning that they cannot leave the Reality Marble and can only remain materialized for "thirty turns."
- Does anyone have any idea how long the duration of a "turn" is? Even an educated guess?
- Ok, about to answer my own question here!
- Having done some research on the concept of time in Dungeons and Dragons, which seems to be the basis for the vague rules of Servant parameters, I found that the time for one turn to complete in vanilla D&D editions (unmodified rules untouched by AU or GM house rules) is supposed to be roughly around 10 minutes. If rank E- "Independent Action" is 30 turns, the soldiers of "Ionioi Hetairoi" can exist for up to 300 minutes, or 5 hours, independent of Rider. Although, if this is the case, the Reality Marble is not likely going to exist long enough for this to make a difference. Postulating from this point, assuming that a stat with a minus is half as good as a base stat without one of the same rank, rank E "Independent Action" is 60 turns, 10 hours.
- However, I have reason to believe that a "turn" in Nasuverse would likely be around half as long as a turn in D&D.
- Why, do you ask? Because if you look at the way "Independent Action" of ranks C and B compare, you'll see that the duration of B, two days, is twice as long as the duration of C, one day. However, the duration of rank A is a "week". Whether or not this is five or seven days presents a problem, but I've run the numbers for both of them. Using this data, I created a set of two simple plots with exponential trend lines, one for A=5 and the other for A=7. Long story short, I came out with the the solution of a turn being somewhere between 4 and 6 minutes long. So the soldiers would be able to last for around 120 to 180 minutes, 2-3 hours. This seems like a much more reasonable answer.
Keep in mind that these calculations are strictly conjectural and there is no correct answer to this question. --Jaften 03:47, December 26, 2010 (UTC)
- I'd just like to add that an actual combat turn in DnD 3e/3.5e is roughly six seconds. Full-round actions (casting a spell, attacking an enemy once) last one turn. See here for details. While Nasu said there are some DnD influences in Fate, somehow 3 minutes seem a bit too short for Ionioi Hetairoi duration, judging by Fate/Zero. On the other hand, 2 hours is imho way too much, as it started fading after a few minutes (probably 5-10) during the battle against the Caster's water demon. --Azaghal 00:14, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
- Actually, considering it's a RM, around three minutes seems perfectly logical. BakaWeiss 12:49, April 22, 2012 (UTC)
Waver
After reading the recently finished Translation of Fate/Zero, would it not be appropriate to have a mention of the fact that Waver is/might be now present within the ranks of the Ionioi Hetairoi as one of the Servants, due to the oath he made with Rider before his death? I seem to remember the paragraph going something like this:
"He had been rewarded with more than words of praise . The grandest King in the world had recognized him. He was told that he would be added into the ranks of the servants. "
81.154.61.178 14:58, April 3, 2011 (UTC)
“From this day until the end of time, the servant would be guided by the figure of the King, and the servant would remain loyal to that memory. In the face of the oath, even separation was meaningless; under the command of Alexander, the bond formed between King and servant was eternal and beyond time.” This?
210.87.245.6 01:38, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
Mithrenes
When was Mithrenes summoned? In which episode?
Fate/Extella NP
I was wondering if someone can add a gif of Ionioi Hetairoi being used in Fate/Extella, as whenever I edit the infobox, it just breaks apart. Thanks!
N/A 05:56, March 8, 2017 (UTC)Clyton