Lancer
IMO, Lancer looks like a western comic superhero now, which is not entirely bad, but I liked the previous Lancer better. Plus, blue suited Saber better. --SolarAdept 16:54, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
- I agree. Somebody said Lancer looks like Iron Man w/o the helmet, and Saber is a departure from Arthur's traditional colors as represented in the original mythos. I couldn't find Archer's pic, but at least he hasn't changed much...Still, it's a new artist, so maybe it will turn out well. I've also heard that there is an entirely new Rider. She looks like she has red hair, and looks nothing like Medusa, so will our old Rider even be there? Gotta wonder about that translucent underskirt, too. I've heard people describe the gameplay model as being similar to the Persona series, and mentions of a Dungeon Crawler aspect are common. It's said to be about 60% complete, as of now. Also, a new Figma figurine will be released with the special preorder edition. --Twelveseal 20:03, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
- He reminds me of Nightwing, sorta. That role's free now too =) Tyciol 06:35, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
- Lancer looks like he's from Tron. While I like Lancer and Tron, Lancer + Tron = "WTF IS THIS". But in general, I don't like Fate/Extra. I'm glad that it isn't really canon. 70.63.140.61 02:13, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
- THIS ENTIRE GAME IS TRON. IT PISSES ME OFF THAT THERE WAS A LACK OF EFFORT IN MAKING THIS.
- PERSONALLY I QUITE ENJOYED IT. WHY ARE WE YELLING? Wakame 15:00, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
- BECAUSE IT'S A HOMAGE TO BILLY MAYS, APPARENTLY.
Saber
Man, that dress... it's like the exact opposite in colour and transparency. Tyciol 06:35, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
Considering the drastic color change, the change in the shape of her sword to a more rapier-like design in red, her cup size increase, and Giles de Rais's apparent recognition of Arturia in Fate/Zero, this is probably Joan of Arc. Woot. Twelveseal 01:21, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
Names
So, Extra is now out in America, and to no great surprise, the names of all the characters (bar Li Shuwen, interestingly) are in western order, regardless of ethnicity. Given that a lot of visitors to the Extra section are, from now on, going to be either people who've played the English version or are interested in learning more about it, I went ahead and used the names of the characters as they appear in Aksys' English version on the main page, order and all, and I'm considering doing so for the relevant character pages as well. I know the front page says to put Japanese names in Japanese order, but I think for Extra, at least, it may be wise to put the names in the published English order, to avoid confusion from new users.
If there's super-strenuous objection, I could switch the names back, but I really think matching what's been published in the wiki's native language is a good idea. Anonymous Contributor NumWhatever 02:48, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I'd rather not do any name changing unless the whole thing is uniform. The main problem with that would be that most of the name changes would require an admin to move the pages. I don't think either one has been here for quite a while. I would like to switch the entire thing over to western order anyway seeing as it is weird to keep it like it has been for no real reason. EGGS 02:56, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, creating the "new" pages would be easy enough, since I'd just make "Rin Tousaka (Fate/Extra)" for example and then have the old page redirect.
- As for switching the entire wiki over, I wasn't going to suggest that just yet since that's more of a "whole community" decision. I still think name order should matched published material in English, though, so for now I'm going to switch relevant Fate/Extra material over to match what's been published. Anonymous Contributor NumWhatever 03:32, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I guess it doesn't really matter. Do make sure to leave Rin as Tohsaka instead of Tousaka. Having two spellings would be weird, so it's better to stick with what's more used in that case. EGGS 03:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- It's called redirection, yo. Leave the page name with the original order because that's how the Wiki is, and make a redirection from the Western order to the original order (not the other way around, no, there's no reason for that, if confused Western players look for Western name, they'll get redirected anyway). That includes the "Tousaka" deal if they really used Tousaka (I don't even see why they did, that's wrong), put "Rin Tousaka" as a redirection to "Tohsaka Rin (Fate/Extra)". --Byakko 12:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- That's probably fine in the case of the NPs, but names really should follow western order in the first place. Pretty much any anime and manga related wiki started using that order years ago. It also fits that pretty much any time names are written in English in the side materials they always use western order from what I remember. EGGS 15:49, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- And the reason this Wiki NEEDS to do the same thing as everyone else rather than what the people who built it want is... ? --Byakko 15:10, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Because it is only logical? There isn't a single "non-weeaboo" argument that can necessitate using eastern order on an English speaking site, especially with more English Fate-related material being released. It's not like I can do anything without an admin to move the pages over the redirects anyway, so the discussion is sort of moot right now. EGGS 15:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- No. It's only logical to you. As said right on the front page of this Wiki, the preferred order for names is the Japanese one, this is a choice that was made right from the start when this Wiki was created, and so far there isn't more reasons to do the other way around than there was when the Wiki was created, which means the same choice that was made back then still applies. And do you know why that's the choice that was made ? Because people liked it better that way. This is what the fandom is used to, mostly because there is nearly no official localization. Fate/EXTRA is pretty much the only game that got this privilege (I'm not sure what the manga localization does in the various countries), and everything else was translated by fan groups, which used the Japanese order. Because it's what people like better. Deal with it and stop bringing that up. It's only logical to you, and unfortunately your logic and your preferences aren't a universal truth. --Byakko 19:38, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- As I have mentioned to you numerous times before, standards change. Just because something was considered correct at one point does not mean it'll be correct forever. Normally, one would initiate a community discussion to debate over it with the people who set the standard in the first place. But guess what? This is a dead wiki, so whoever is left gets to decide what to do with it. Pretty much every other active wiki under the sun switched over to western order, and various discussions were held on each of them. The general defense for keeping eastern order was always "fans like it better" and the other usual "keeping the purity of the original" bull, but they still changed over in the end. But again, it is still moot without someone to rearrange the pages that cannot be moved manually. Unless they do come along, you have nothing to worry about. EGGS 20:36, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Standards change when the situation changes, not when you come in and say "hey, from now on we should do like that, just because I think it's better". I just said up here that right now, there isn't more reasons to use the Western order than there was when the Wiki was set up, so if a decision was taken back then, with the same situation today as it was back then, that same decision still applies, because nothing changed. An equation that doesn't change will always give the same result. If you want a new result, you need to change the equation - and you can't.
- Just changing standards around certainly doesn't mean the Wiki will magically be more alive. The Wiki is alive when there is information to add, not when people change their mind about how things look, that's just artificial. Or what, in a couple years when there's again nothing new, will we decide to switch back to Eastern order, just for the sake of making the place more "alive" ? And again, just because other people do something, doesn't mean it's the best thing, and certainly doesn't mean we should do it too.
- So how is "people like it better" not a good enough reason ? Wikis like this are community-driven, so I'd damn well like to see this happen when that very same community liking something is not a good enough reason to do it this way. If you can't see that, that's just screwed up. The people who make the Wiki and the people who use it are the ones making decisions, and in this community, it's mostly Eastern order, EOD. --Byakko 22:21, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- As I have mentioned to you numerous times before, standards change. Just because something was considered correct at one point does not mean it'll be correct forever. Normally, one would initiate a community discussion to debate over it with the people who set the standard in the first place. But guess what? This is a dead wiki, so whoever is left gets to decide what to do with it. Pretty much every other active wiki under the sun switched over to western order, and various discussions were held on each of them. The general defense for keeping eastern order was always "fans like it better" and the other usual "keeping the purity of the original" bull, but they still changed over in the end. But again, it is still moot without someone to rearrange the pages that cannot be moved manually. Unless they do come along, you have nothing to worry about. EGGS 20:36, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- No. It's only logical to you. As said right on the front page of this Wiki, the preferred order for names is the Japanese one, this is a choice that was made right from the start when this Wiki was created, and so far there isn't more reasons to do the other way around than there was when the Wiki was created, which means the same choice that was made back then still applies. And do you know why that's the choice that was made ? Because people liked it better that way. This is what the fandom is used to, mostly because there is nearly no official localization. Fate/EXTRA is pretty much the only game that got this privilege (I'm not sure what the manga localization does in the various countries), and everything else was translated by fan groups, which used the Japanese order. Because it's what people like better. Deal with it and stop bringing that up. It's only logical to you, and unfortunately your logic and your preferences aren't a universal truth. --Byakko 19:38, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Because it is only logical? There isn't a single "non-weeaboo" argument that can necessitate using eastern order on an English speaking site, especially with more English Fate-related material being released. It's not like I can do anything without an admin to move the pages over the redirects anyway, so the discussion is sort of moot right now. EGGS 15:44, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- And the reason this Wiki NEEDS to do the same thing as everyone else rather than what the people who built it want is... ? --Byakko 15:10, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
- That's probably fine in the case of the NPs, but names really should follow western order in the first place. Pretty much any anime and manga related wiki started using that order years ago. It also fits that pretty much any time names are written in English in the side materials they always use western order from what I remember. EGGS 15:49, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- It's called redirection, yo. Leave the page name with the original order because that's how the Wiki is, and make a redirection from the Western order to the original order (not the other way around, no, there's no reason for that, if confused Western players look for Western name, they'll get redirected anyway). That includes the "Tousaka" deal if they really used Tousaka (I don't even see why they did, that's wrong), put "Rin Tousaka" as a redirection to "Tohsaka Rin (Fate/Extra)". --Byakko 12:05, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
- I guess it doesn't really matter. Do make sure to leave Rin as Tohsaka instead of Tousaka. Having two spellings would be weird, so it's better to stick with what's more used in that case. EGGS 03:47, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
Moon Cell
Is the moon cell in fate/extra related to the moon cell created by Dust of Osiris who is one of the 27 dead apostle?
They seem to be one and the same, right down to the giant gem in the center and the function of observing humanity eternally. Interestingly, this sets a general date and time as to when it was made.
Library Trivia
For the english version, when you "Search" the bookshelves at the far end of the library, at the literature section, the game mention something about "Sparkly Vampires", obvious reference for the twilight novel.
- Triva like that being included in articles is rather pointless, and such sections hold little value. It would be fine to include it in a section like "English localization" if you were to note how it differentiates from the original. Something like "The library references "obscure Japanese book x", but was changed to references whoever's Twilight series of books in the English version by lampooning the 'Sparkly Vampires' for which the series is known." EGGS (talk) 17:27, October 19, 2012 (UTC)